Subhuti,what do you think? Can the Buddha be perceived by His perfectly-formed body? No,World-honoured One,the Tathagata cannot be perceived by His perfectly-formed body,because the Tathagata teaches that a perfectly-formed body is not really such; it is merely called "a perfectly formed body". Subhuti,what do you think? Can the Tathagata be perceived by means of any phenomenal characteristic? ..